Let's put it this way, going into Season 3, what would you like to see Cesare doing?
And also I think the relationship with Lucrezia hopefully grows into something more mature and not necessarily easier, but more of an adult relationship, less childish and innocent.
More of an adult relationship, OK.
[Laughs.] No, not in that way!
I didn't say anything!
Well you thought it. I heard you.
No, no, no. Do you think Cesare's murder of Juan is going to weigh on him in the future or is it just done?
I think Cesare is building walls around his heart. I think you do get colder and less sentimental when you take that path. He has to go on and he can't mourn him forever, especially since he's responsible for his death. No, no. I think he's all right with it. [Laughs.]
He said a line in Episode 9, "We're Borgias, we never forgive." And I was wondering if that was going to be something that comes back and Cesare has to face that from other Borgias who may never forgive.
Oh, I think I get where you're going. OK, you mean the father?
Rodrigo, since nobody else seems to care.
[Laughs.] Nobody else does care. [Laughs.] I also liked line that Vanozza had in the finale. What did she say again? "I didn't want him dead, but there were many times I wished he was never born." That was pretty powerful. Well, I think that the sad thing about that ending is that Rodrigo was about to tell Cesare that he did forgive him. And I think Cesare needed to hear those words. And now he probably never will.
Now with Savonarola gone and Juan gone, it seems like Cesare might get bored next season.
No, he won't. [Laughs.] No, he won't. What I can tell you is that, oh my God, can I tell you that? There are always new enemies. Just see what happens, really. I'm not gonna say anything. [Laughs.] But it's like, earlier this season everybody got killed off, like all the young people: Ursula's sister, Martha, Prince Alfonso, Paolo. It felt for a moment there like we were just three people left on the show. Hopefully we'll explore other relationships more, like with the mother maybe, with Vanozza. I haven't read much yet, so I can't say.
I was looking at my history here, and Cesare apparently became commander of the Papal Army later in his life. So he sort of got his wish finally, right?
Mm-hmm. I don't know when that happens exactly, but it did, 'cause there's a lot that happens after that, so hopefully we get there. But yeah, he becomes a ruthless warrior, a better warrior than his brother ever was, that's for sure. And Micheletto kind of becomes, historically, his official No. 2, not just a man of the shadows anymore.
You're happy to come back for Season 3?
Yeah, well new challenges, really, because I think, as I said earlier, this is a new beginning for Cesare. I think there's a lot of room for exploring new sides of the character. Cesare's finally become what I thought he was from the very beginning.
I hear you are shooting a movie now?
I was shooting this movie last month, and we have some reshoots to do tomorrow. It's called "Copperhead." I don't have a huge part in it, but it's a good movie, it's a good little character. It's a Civil War movie and takes place in Upstate New York in 1863. There's a great cast, great young actors, and I play a soldier called Warner Pitts who is a little cocky and that's about it. [Laughs.]